The Missing Link in Renewables

30. des.. 2020
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[6] Note: Many different sources quote different figures. There are of course high margins for error when estimating the total quantity of an element on a planet.

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  • Here's a link to the podcast.

    Real EngineeringReal Engineering3 måneder siden
    • I would like to see you guys getting in contact with Zinc8 energy solutions. They’ve won the Innovation challenge by the New York Power Authority (NYPA) the largest state owned utility in the US. There Battery can store electricity up to 100+ hours and even for weeks. That’s why they’ve won the challenge. 45$/kwh. Unbeaten in the market.

      Eddy A.Eddy A.13 dager siden

      Righteous AgitatorRighteous Agitator23 dager siden
    • What are your thoughts on liquid Vanadium batteries? I was introduced to liquid metal batteries over a decade ago reading some obscure articles on liquid vanadium. Basically, the argument made for the use of Vanadium was that it was useful as both a cathode and an anode since it could be charged either way. This meant that nothing bad would really happen if the barrier between the cathode and anode degraded, as both the cathode and anode would be chemically identical, with the exception of charge. As a result, battery degradation would be reduced. I don't know enough about batteries to know if that is a better solution or not than calcium/antimony.

      Hat ManHat ManMåned siden
    • did he happen to mention the require temperature the batteries need to be at for discharge

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  • Ever considered that you could store energy by converting it to kinetic and then back again? We could use excess electricity to pump water up a mountain say and into a large, high-altitude reservoir and then as needed, drain that reservoir through a series of turbines down the mountain to another reservoir. I am not sure what the power storage could be or how it would scale as I am no engineer. Just an idea.

    Andrew GAndrew G18 timer siden
  • Liquid air batteries would be good too.

    John SullivanJohn SullivanDag siden
  • As if spinning a mass at light speed stops in frictionless electronicaly controlled bearings .its only because it stops cash cows of energy corporations mutating viruses boiling water.or fossil fuel heating earth unbearable.

    Steven LonienSteven Lonien2 dager siden
  • Why not try something new, like safe nuclear ? ;)

    viel-leicht gesagtviel-leicht gesagt2 dager siden
  • 🤔 You want to keep the Batteries Hot try using them in Server Farms and use all that hot they produce.

    AsandaAsanda3 dager siden
  • You said the battery was designed to operate at 500 degrees, therefor neither heat OR cold would effect its operation. I think that’s a stretch. The internal components are designed for high temperatures, that doesn’t mean that all external components are. And, because they’re designed for high temps, doesn’t mean they’re suited for cold temps. Shorts are designed for hotter temperatures, but don’t work so well in the cold.

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  • Would you consider making a video on aluminum air batteries ? 🔋

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  • the edison battery is the way to go for grid storage

    Solar CrystalSolar Crystal12 dager siden
  • Go china rule the world... xie xie!

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  • i wonder if cargo shipping ships could use it as they are not too sensitive to weight?

    Marko AhonenMarko Ahonen14 dager siden
  • Calcium and antimony are used to fortify Lead Acid batteries for a strong amperage rating and longer life plus more cycles. Pretty awesome idea of using a battery with both of these in a liquid metal's phenomenal

    Stevie JoStevie Jo15 dager siden
  • there are not enough batteries for everyone...and the production not possible

  • fusion will take longer than thought...if ever

  • LFP? is that lithium iron phosphate, LiFePO4?

    MrX MrYMrX MrY17 dager siden
  • So how does energy density compare to lithium batteries?

    Eryk CzajkowskiEryk Czajkowski18 dager siden
  • Mechanical batteries make sense for energy storage.Because design and scale issues are more easily solved with little to no issues concerning end of life. Either adiabatic compressed air or magnetically suspended flywheel require little research except design materials and scaling for demand.

    Paul SmithPaul Smith18 dager siden
  • Put those batteries with the solar farms in the Atacama desert and maybe loss in heating can be saved a bit

    TheYuaker StuffTheYuaker Stuff23 dager siden

    Righteous AgitatorRighteous Agitator23 dager siden
  • Ceramic seals are already used in vacuum systems and have all those properties. They also have the perfect expansion under heat to match metals such as copper to maintain a seal.

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  • Please don't add subtitles as it's blocking the images.

    Krishna Chandra MahapatraKrishna Chandra Mahapatra26 dager siden
    • You can just switch 'em off

      Felix BeutinFelix Beutin22 dager siden
  • Magettic is a better energy for long term .

    Taco BellTaco Bell27 dager siden
  • 4:20 :)

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  • Sahara will be right place

    KING CYBERTRON The one above allKING CYBERTRON The one above allMåned siden
  • Hi all @ This is a slight deviation from your exact thread but is still EV and Green energy-related. I was wondering why no one is talking about TE$LA and Wind turbines. With Elon and his company's engineering expertise, I am sure they could design and build The most efficient turbines and towers on the planet. With their knowledge of motors ( and that is all a generator is, a motor being pushed rather than driving a shaft ) coupled with the aerodynamic design of the blades ( remember they have some of the best drag coefficient numbers of any other road car due to their in house designers and fluid dynamics engineers ) If these turbines were used in conjunction with storage, it could solve a lot of problems. That along with Elon’s Materials expertise used to design the towers, and his ability to scale up production at lightning speed, I can’t see how this would not go a far distance to accelerate his change to renewables and away from fossil fuels in the prime directive. Can you honestly think of a better company for this job than TE$LA ???? Eddie in Scotland

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  • environmentally friendly mining.

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  • Flow cell batteries? Or grid size batteries? Lion batteries are optimized for mobile use but are too expensive for massive grid energy storage.

    Matthijs KlompMatthijs KlompMåned siden
  • I really like how you include references and indicate them in your videos.

    Thinking 18_81Thinking 18_81Måned siden
  • I've invented Cold Fusion in a sweat sock!! I have the answers! Send money!!

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  • The energy lost to heating could be reduced by reexamining the specific heating process with electricity and optimizing that reaction. Similar to ionizing water, the original probe in the water with DC power is not the most efficient approach. Party on Dudes, be good to each other.

    Mundy Morning ReportMundy Morning ReportMåned siden
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  • This is brilliant. After all why would you use a portable battery for a stationary installation. If geothermal is used to help in heating, even better.

    Ed ‘SEd ‘SMåned siden
  • I can even imagine to have a battery like this, it's heat can be used to have heating and hot water too. So....quite promising for those in colder climates

    Leonard LeonLeonard LeonMåned siden
    • No, the battery needs the heat to stay in a operable state, if it solidifies with cooling it's worthless

      JustinJustinMåned siden
  • The will to change is all that's missing. The will... Let's put solar panels on every home, business and covered parking rooftop and switch to electric vehicles making nearly everything we do solar powered while completely decentralizing our power supply and empowering everyone as power generation owners.

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  • The US is a 220V country btw.

    Rayne RiversRayne RiversMåned siden
  • Excellent video. Keep up the coverage on energy storage!

    Douglas LawrieDouglas LawrieMåned siden
    • Have a look at liquid air storage!

      Douglas LawrieDouglas LawrieMåned siden
  • Question : what kind of people dislike? Answer : Psychos... 👀

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  • Hydrogen is a great cheap and efficient energy storage. Lithium is A finite mineral. The new oil is Lithium,,,bad Idea. Hydrogen however is completely recyclable to water and water has all the hydrogen we will ever need. No other energy source has a closed loop Like Hydrogen that does not pollute.

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  • We Need The Hydrogen Economy,,,yesterday. And it's here now if you look close.

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  • Could we put these batteries over lava flows. Or I don't know maybe like a volcano or something.

    DavidDavidMåned siden
  • What about Professor John B. Goodenough's Glass Battery (Solid State Lithium and Glass)?

    TheHelleriTheHelleriMåned siden
  • Very interesting, but there are a lot of things that needs be straighten up. That 20% loss is huge, imagine that over 20 years, I reaaly don’ t think that the initial cheaper investments can be of big advantage in this case. What about precint’s walls, chemical/physical interaction with molten metal, maintenance. Still long way ahead but definitely someone must take the bull from the horns.

    DalidosoDalidosoMåned siden
  • mom: What's in the oven? me: It's a fresh battery. mom: But won't that make your lithium-ion battery less tasty (efficient)?

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  • Does this mean we'll have a Terminator battery one day?

    lessevdoolbretsimlessevdoolbretsimMåned siden
  • Speaking of flywheels several companies develop flywheel energy storage and personally i feel this is a great tech. Some power plants already use flywheel storage to smooth demand

    Research and BuildResearch and BuildMåned siden
  • i would like to ask permission to use this video in our conference introduction. Many Thanks!

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  • Yet lithium isn’t sustainable and is no greener than say natural gas. We have a major “renewalable energy” false narrative and we’ll be no better off if we’re not totally honest with ourselves. Leftist Politics have mislead people just to feel better by virtue signaling. Seems virtue signaling is a causing major issues in all levels of society.

    Charles FosterCharles FosterMåned siden
    • "no greener than say natural gas" that's just blatantly false. Batteries can be used for years, natural gas can be used once.

      infinitelyExplosiveinfinitelyExplosiveMåned siden
  • Bad politics: the blackouts were caused because of ideological blindness in South Australia's ruling Labor government. They were addicted to the idea of renewables, at the cost of baseload power. BTW, Australia has huge uranium reserves. And we mine that uranium and ship it around the world. But because of ideology and an extremely effective fear campaign, we don't generate any of our power with nuclear reactors. So it's OK to mine and sell uranium, but not to use it generate our own power. Smart, huh?

    w0mblesw0mblesMåned siden
  • im not even watching this. i hope youre talking about the ONLY OBVIOUS MISSING LINK in that companies are sabotaging EVERYTHING NONSTOP... OBVIOUSLY.... otherwise theyd build industry on top of the stations for wind/solar for example instead of losing everything by design converting from ac to dc to ac to dc and whatevers left we send around the country to lose that way through inefficiencies. THE BEST BATTERY IN 5000 YEARS IS USING THE DAMN ENERGY CAN U PEOPLE REMEMBER THAT SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO THEIR NEXT BALLS OF YARN. BECAUSE THEY DIDNT FORGET BASIC SHIT LIKE THIS.. only us..

    Chance ButlerChance ButlerMåned siden
    • when oil companies and everyone else is spraying random shit in the air to block out the sun openly, silver iodide and more.. look it up not hidden... that is tangible dollar value proof of solar/wind and court collusion.

      Chance ButlerChance ButlerMåned siden
  • Why don’t we use simply the ground earth to store the electricity? Sands or dirts

    Bader Al SalehBader Al SalehMåned siden
  • Dumb question, could the efficiency hit of due to heating LMBs be mitigated if they were used in conjunction with nuclear? (which already runs at many hundreds of degrees). So hypothetically, one of the loops in the nuclear power plant passes by the batteries which want the heat. The batteries can then be charged/discharged on-site, the location already has access to transmission lines (so no new power-pole infrastructure needed) and since its hard for nuclear to ramp up in times of need (as their output is consistent, and thus why we have fossil-fuel peaker plants), they could act as an easy way to increase output at a moments notice for the nuclear power provider. If there aren't too many errors in my assumptions (I'm just a guy who likes learning about this stuff on youtube...), seems like a winning partnership.

    Steve SmithSteve SmithMåned siden
    • Actually an interesting question. The first liquid metal batteries were called thermal batteries because they were designed to be recharged by thermally distilling the discharged battery products back into their separated usable anode and cathode materials. The thermal regenerator was either proposed to be a nuclear reactor or some solar concentrator, but when they realized some of the batteries could be used as secondary batteries they put their focus into that. This was all done mostly in the 1960s. But in terms of keeping the batteries hot, I don't think it would save money by building the needed setup for nuclear heating, as nuclear power already doesn't have a problem with inconsistent power delivery as renewables do.

      JustinJustinMåned siden
  • We need to develop passive collection electrical power generation. A floor that gets high traffic using the pressure of each step or cars on a highway. Network these home generators and pay lower income folks in dense cities for the power.

    Johnny DezJohnny DezMåned siden
  • This is highly interesting , thank you

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  • Is it possible to buy Ambri stock yet?

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    • Check out UAMY its related to AMBRI

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  • "I say, if you want to make something dirt cheap, make it out of dirt." ~ Prof. Sadoway 7:19

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  • Batteries from the lightest elements should be prioritized for airplanes, batteries made from the next lightest elements should be prioritized for cars and trucks, then trains and ships, and finally batteries made from the heaviest elements would be fine for fixed location storage.

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  • Can't we just built a giant worldwide grid to connect all areas on Earth and then just use the solar electricity? Sun is shining always somewhere...

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  • I think Aspen Aerogels might be able to help with the insulation..

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  • How does this compare to solid state batteries?

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  • Spillheat exploitation is a rising practice... So the efficiency loss to heat spillage could be an opportunity as well!

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  • Some alloys are liquid at lower temperatures than their pure components, did they consider the possibility of eutectic alloys such as this in their design of the battery?

    Seth ApexSeth ApexMåned siden
    • There's a bit of research on using liquid metal alloys as anodes in batteries. The problems are usually from high surface tension which makes it hard to wet an electrolyte, a limited working range of mol fraction composition, and a more intensive manufacturing process. A NaK alloy works ok if potassium is the charge carrier, but finding and optimizing an appropriate cathode is more difficult.

      JustinJustinMåned siden
  • Renewable energy in itself is not renewable As All Energy in our universe is finite and will eventually be dissolved

    Commando JessicaCommando JessicaMåned siden
  • It's so sad to see that Methane storage of energy isn't part of the overall solution, because it should be ... there are plenty sources of biomass available to use bio-digestors to convert that into methane gas for us to use (and do note, that gas would be released from these sources anyways (poo of all kinds, biological waste of all kinds) ... then there is the already existing technology to convert CO2 into Methane, which can even be a closed loop system (this tech is apparently already in use on the space station, where CH4 is just vented out, here on earth we would simply use it) ... not to mention that we already have a lot of infrastructure and knowledge in dealing with this gas (which is a lot easier than Hydrogen) ... and the only reason it's not suggested is because apparently anything that could produce CO2 is bad. But if you are an actual engineer, you understand that this is not the case. Both systems above are a closed loop system, where no CO2 is added to the environment...

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  • Technological lock in Answer : technological lock horn

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  • Sadoway needs to get in touch with Sandy Munro about manufacturing and product design.

    T DudkampT DudkampMåned siden
  • You would think Nation states would treat this issue as one one of national security considering lithium's scarcity and presence in less stable regions of the world. In my opinion, that point alone would justify public investment to help reduce the upfront costs.

    Chris BallChris BallMåned siden
  • Are we not simply replacing one evil for another? Hydrocarbons undoubtedly are damming the ozone and it is a limited source. Lithium ion batteries require mining metals and elements; lithium, cobalt, graphite, and manganese. These eco-footprints during after the mining process of these necessary elements. Will undoubtedly have more damage to the ecosystem and are far more limited than natural gas. I would love a clean energy but we can not call any of the “clean energies” clean until we have a sustainable storage system. Lithium ion batteries are not the solution. We need to combine our current sources CNG, solar, hydrogen, coal and nuclear. In unison to work more efficiently while the search continues. JMO thanks

    Skyler PartridgeSkyler PartridgeMåned siden
  • The Aussie battery you are referring to failed to work for an hour and has been decommissioned, it is the result of trying to live outside the laws of the physical universe and what happens when people spend money without understanding what they are buying. As a result of the flop of the battery the leftist government of the State in question (South Australia) was removed and federal investigations commenced to understand why so many people with scientific degrees were ignored. The laws of physic are only ignored by those who don't understand them, take that as you will or understand.

    Bradley DraperBradley DraperMåned siden
    • This one?

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  • I would love to invest in Ambri!

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  • So... Li-ion batteries produce alot of excess heat and their engineers are working their ass off trying to rid off the heat while liquid metals battery requires massive amount of heat to even function? I don't know why but my "it's the friends we made along the way" instincts are tingling.

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  • The South Australia power problem also suffered from an incompetent hostile Federal Government that sought to shift blame rather than fix the fixable. The Federal Liberal Nationals had forced the unusable interstate energy connectors in the usual pursuit of the Holy Grail of privatisation. The progress made in Australia has been made against the constant opposition of the Conservatives (but not all the conservatives, the individual States are far more pragmatic), who are in the pockets of the Fossil Fuel Industry and supported by the gastric flood of lies from Rupert Murdoch's lie factory.

    Voncha VivaldiVoncha VivaldiMåned siden
  • Why not just use nickel iron batteries

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  • Molten salt Thorium reactors. Working at Oak ridges in the 1960s. Small, save, minimal waste. Minimal grid required. Each town can have several.

    Larry DuganLarry DuganMåned siden
  • use liquid metal batteries on mars, there temperature is much high (any comments/criticism)

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  • About a month after this video came out; people in Texas are gonna find this quite relevant right about now.

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  • flow batteries are cheaper then lithium. The virtual network is the solution.

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  • Impressive video! For me, the most impressive aspect was Prof. Sadoway. Here is an academic who was aware of and completely dialed into the real world. No ivory tower for him! If only more academics were so well grounded. I have heard "scholar" defined as someone who learns more and more about less and less until he knows almost everything about next to nothing." That does not describe Prof. Sadoway. The good professor is completely aware of the realities of bringing something completely new to the market place. So also is the author of this video. While I do not share their enthusiasm for so-called "renewables", I applaud their admission of the inherent problems with such energy technologies. The universe does not bestow any gift for free. There is a price to pay for everything. In a sense, that is the essence of the first law of thermodynamics. There are no free lunches. It always comes down to who will pay the tab and how.

    Bill MullinsBill MullinsMåned siden
  • Forget wind and solar. We need modular Nukes with these batteries for peak demand. The reason you need frequency support to is because your grid lacks rotating mass. Just dumb.

    Justin KirkJustin KirkMåned siden
  • Neutrino power and future research is the best way forward

    Peter ZurichPeter ZurichMåned siden
  • Very interesting battery tech. You have a very similar technological advance working in a similar environment. These two breakthroughs would become somewhat symbiotic relative to industries that require heat of production and large consistent sources of electricity. The molten salt reactors are the optimum green energy solution as well as the bridge to better green energy technology that will require time to mature. Especially in light of the "nuclear cliff" we are approaching by 2050 when most current reactors must either be refitted or retired. Current replacement strategies call for fossil fuel replacements. Modular MSR type reactors are scalable, safer , non proliferate even and walk away safe with no carbon footprint to speak of. Your comment about entrenched technology resistance is a problem here as well. We cannot solve the problems of today and tomorrow with failed paradigms of the past.

    Mike LoftinMike LoftinMåned siden
  • Isn’t hydrogen a valid option? Build huge electrolysis hydrogen plants with the ability to activate fuel cells. I know they aren’t super efficient. But when you have a place like California who have an insane amount of solar energy which they even need to get rid off.. Why not sink that energy into hydrogen plants?

    Rickard BobergRickard BobergMåned siden
  • Suggesting you to do an interview with Bill gates. Your recent videos about nuclear economics, and other renewables are very much informative, your conversation with him would be very much intersting. Thanks.

    ShashwatShashwatMåned siden
  • To be fair, the problem with many renewables is that we can’t control its generation. That’s not a problem with nuclear.

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  • The choice of antimony is interesting considering this is one of the materials which is closest to being depleted, the peak of production being well passed and the peak of availability having probably already been reached. Not exactly dirt ...

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  • The most efficient pumped storage power plants can do better than 70% round trip efficiency, closer to 80%. 70% RT is only 83.7% for pump and generate modes which is not very good, I know project efficiency will be less than the unit efficiency from conduit losses and operation off of the BOP but still 70% RT is not great.

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  • missing links... efficiency, efficiency, reliability, 24/7 sun,wind, humunguous batteries... all borders on the impossible for the foreseeable future.

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  • 4:25 did they cut off somebody's hand so they could dip it in a bathtub with a hair dryer?

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